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Two Cents On Camden

Posted 3 years ago by Icculus - 41 comments Link: http://phi.sh/b/4df3a1eb

DISCLAIMER: I have had very little sleep in the last three days and I appear to still be a bit inebriated from last night. If any of the words or opinions that follow seem asinine or otherwise moronic to you in any way, shape or form, please do not doubt that they are. Thank you.
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You’ve seen the setlist. And if you’ve seen even a few Phish setlists over the years, you may be wondering, “Seriously!? A “Rocky Top Mike’s Groove” first set opener, a “Curtain With” first set closer, a “JOY” second set closer!?” WTF!? “Curtain With” has never closed a first set, of course, and “Rocky Top” has not opened a show since 12/2/96. And closing a second set with an emotionally intense (if not ironically depressing) ballad like “Joy” just seems batshit f’ing crazy.

Last night was THAT kind of night. This was no “typical” Phish show. It was not anywhere close to “average-great.” It was a freak of nature, a perverse (and often baffling) phenomenon, especially for 2011. Sure, “Joy” was the only recent song played, so it was an extraordinarily “old school” show. And yes, the preshow vibe was fantastic, maybe even a touch moreso than your average Phish show. The show was in CAMDEN after all, where Phish has often performed well.

But what, to me, makes this show so unique -- in light of all of the Phish that I’ve heard and seen over the years -- are that this show’s highs and lows are DRAMATIC. And obvious. Even to the most spectacularly deaf fans among us. As such highs and lows were, quite frankly, at Coventry.

THE GOOD: The “Weekapaug Groove” is hands down the best version in many years. It is played with an intensity that has been sorely lacking in recent years. It is unequivocally a must-hear version. “Stash” is good, but not in the league of 10/31/10 Atlantic City. “Guyute” was relatively well-played, which is remarkable given Trey’s flubs elsewhere in the show. “Mule” was strong, frankly, and reminded me of typical versions from the mid-1990’s. The “Curtain With” -- while not perfectly played -- features a stunning, magical, soulful solo from Trey. This may just be my favorite version of the song. It is unquestionably one of the finest versions of the song in Phish history. You can watch the official video of it here.

As for the second set, although not very long, the jam in the “Down with Disease” eventually becomes magnificent. This is easily one of my favorite “short” versions of this song. As for “Free,” Mike is truly awesome in what’s otherwise a straightforward rendering. Trey’s soloing in the “Possum,” however, is excellent, in my opinion. This is easily a top version of “Possum” and I like it much, much more than the Blossom “Possum,” which is also a well-above average version. If Phish is going to play “Possum” like this, they can play it at every god damn show as far as I’m concerned. “BBFCFM” is a riot -- Mike even sat down on stage for part of it. It’s a much more inspired version than the one last year in Camden. “Swept Away > Steep” was very cool to get, and I enjoyed its ominous, Floyd-esque coda before “Bowie” started up.

THE BAD: The second set, overall, was -- wait for it -- WEIRD. It started off quite well, as already noted, with strong versions of several tunes, but then it just would not end. IT WOULD NOT END I TELL YOU. And this wasn’t really a positive development. We got set-closing song after set-closing song, that were at best “fine” (namely, “Bowie” “Julius” “Golgi” and “Fluffhead”), and then the set ended with “Joy.” WTF?

THE BUTT UGLY: There are flubs from Trey in a ton of songs. In fact, Phish purists will be aghast at many of them. These are the kind of flubs that make it impossible to call this show “well-played” in general, which a typical Phish show is, of course. Playing well is par for the course for Phish. If you listen to this show, you will hear flubs from Trey where they’ve only rarely occurred in Phish history, like in “Hydrogen” and “The Sloth.” Many of us at the show really could not have cared less about the flubs, though, and while the second set seemingly wouldn’t end after getting, let’s face it, kinda dull, it is hard to complain too loudly given the old school, "greatest hits" feel of the song choices, and the fierceness of the playing in the songs that I mention above. But some fans were very disappointed, and a somewhat surprising number of them left the show at various times during the second set. You don’t see this every day, especially at a Phish show.

All of this said, the music of this show, like it or not, absolutely brings IT at times. Just listen to Trey’s solos alone in the “Curtain With” and the “Possum” for christ’s sake. And as mixed a bag as it was musically, last night was still a whole hell of a lot more entertaining, to me, than a Bethel3 or a Cincinnati or even a PNC. (I think the PNC shows have been grossly overrated.) And as far as I’m concerned, while the lows of this show were certainly low, the highs of this show were just as up there, musically speaking, with every previous high on this tour so far, such as the Bethel1 “Kill Devil Falls,” the Bethel2 “GoldenGinTeca,” the Pine Knob “Down with Disease,” and the Blossum “When Harry Have Mercy Met Sally.” I will also take a show like this Camden show any day -- any fucking day -- over a so-called “average great” show. So download the Camden show now, and thank your Almighty God that Phish is still at IT.

$0.02

Comments

mgouker Reply
mgouker Good review - I see myself as agreeing almost completely unfortunately, so that's a problem. It's nothing new of course to hear these flubs in songs they don't play much. The Sloth was shaky from the beginning. I was surprised they tried that, but boymangodshit that Curtain With more than compensates (like by an exponential amount). I enjoyed it *MADLY* on couch tour with an excellent feed. I'm so excited about the shows we are going to catch starting next week and the Superball. Thanks for posting!
Score: 1
jackl Phish.net Staff Reply
jackl Numeric ranking, then = > 5.0/10 "average great"?
Score: 0
mgouker Reply
mgouker Another thing I think is funny about that show and actually about the last couple Possums... They are playing Possum basically every other show now and some people are posting what a let-down it is to hear it in the second set (buzz killer, whatever). I think last night's Possum should make them self-reflect a bit before posting bullshit.
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sethadam1 Phish.net Staff Reply
sethadam1 Other than the beautiful Curtain With, none of the moments you cited felt nearly in the same league as GoldenGinTeca, Pine Knob DwD, or any of Blossom II to me via the stream.

I'll be interesting to see if, upon second listen, I realize it was better than I thought or you realize it was less notable than you thought.
Score: 1
mgouker Reply
mgouker > Numeric ranking,....

I think what Charlie is saying is that this one is an 8 *and* a 3.
Score: 1
mikem Reply
mikem Great review. I had a ton of fun at Camden, I did notice that they lost some peoples attention around us during the second set, but I loved it all. I definitely expected it to end with Fluffhead, and Joy was a surprise, but I thought it was a good way to end the show. And I honestly like when they play newer songs and all the jaded vets around me get annoyed! I just continue to dance my ass of and enjoy the show while they bitch and moan.
Score: 1
mgouker Reply
mgouker Jeez Adam, the Curtain With is enough. And this was a good Possum. Plus I liked the Stash. I'm relistening to the whole tour now, fwiw. This has been pretty good.
Score: 1
Poster_Nutbag Reply
charlie,

wonderful review. i thought the first set was spectacular. everyone in the building was floored at the set, especially the curtain with. and you assessment of the second set was spot on: i called julius the set closer. then golgi. then certainly fluffhead.

i also agree with your comment on the floyd-esque outtro of steep/intro to bowie. i actually thought they were going to go into time.

this just goes to show you than even when phish is slightly off, they can still be on, which is one of the reasons why i think we keep coming back show after show.
Score: 2
The_Last_Rewind Reply
This will be known as The Possum Tour. I got a boring one at the 1st Holmdel show and last night, being my 2nd show seen, I got the one that they've been looking for. When they started it I groaned a bit, but by the end I was smiling ear to ear. I NOTICED 2 flubs by Trey all night, but his highs soooo out shined any mistakes. Page, Mike and Fishman are so good right now it's almost boggling to me, Page especially. They were playing WEIRD during the first set and i liked it. Stash fucking killed it. Mule was unexpected and great, and, as everyone else has mentioned Curtain was epic. Axis to end the show was a treat.
I'll admit I wanted a different 2nd set song selection,(Ghost or Twist would have been nice...) but I'm happy with their playing. If any of y'all that left last night's show early want to see your tickets to the rest of the tour PLEASE let me know.
Has anyone else noticed that Runaway Jim has done exactly that?
Score: 2
suuuzy Reply
suuuzy spot on review.
It was an odd show for sure. Thankfully I am an odd kinda person, so I liked it.
I did a little eye roll when I heard the start to yet another possum. I love the energy and what that song does to the crowd everytime, but this has become the possum tour most definately.
I was actually giving last nights possum another listen as I sat down to read this, and was once again blown away. My how I love this band!
Score: 3
DogGone Reply
DogGone hydrogen was actually nicely opened-up, i thought. just sayin'
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Fluffhead Reply
Fluffhead Charlie, did you intentionally quote Malcolm Gladwell?
Score: 1
Funky_Bitch Reply
Funky_Bitch I'm with you on this one too. i've been seeing some straight up harsh reviews of this show and i just don't get it. true, being there is enough to get me pumped...and true, there were def some flubs.. but overall i thought they killed it. a phantastic mixed bag, IMHO.
Score: 1
lumpblockclod Phish.net Staff Reply
lumpblockclod @Fluffhead said:
Charlie, did you intentionally quote Malcolm Gladwell?
You mean Malcom Gladwell also thought the 'Paug was "hands down the best version in many years"?
Score: 1
Fluffhead Reply
Fluffhead @lumpblockclod said:
@Fluffhead said:
Charlie, did you intentionally quote Malcolm Gladwell?
You mean Malcom Gladwell also thought the 'Paug was "hands down the best version in many years"?
"perverse and often baffling". He has told this story at The Moth before:

http://www.slate.com/id/3689/
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Fluffhead Reply
Fluffhead Nevertheless, Charlie, your review was great, but the perverse (and often baffling) bit made this the very best review I have ever read in the history of the Phistornets...

Ever.
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joechip Reply
joechip Dare I venture to say that @Icculus may have reviewed this show quite differently if he were reviewing from the SBD and not from the actual experience?

In my assesment, like @sethadam, I don't hear anything from last night as approaching the creativity of the other tour highlights to date. At all. What at this show rivals the Bethel Boogie On> Waves and the DTE DWD> Fluff> Bowie, for example? The joys of hearing renewed vigor in Trey's playing have been present in every show this summer, from the average to the great.

Regardless of my disagreement, thanks for the review. Good to hear your thoughts as always.
Score: 0
bertoletdown Phish.net Staff Reply
bertoletdown As I was neither in Camden nor booze-drenched I doubt I could have found it in my heart to be as generous as you were, Charlie. But you know this already.

Also, if you need past versions of Hydrogen and Sloth that were mangled, send me blanks and postage; I have plenty.
Score: 3
patper Reply
patper I like this review, especially the fact that the reviewer was actually at the show.
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Fluffhead Reply
Fluffhead @patper said:
I like this review, especially the fact that the reviewer was actually at the show.
You should've seen the reviewer's Mike's Song / Tweezer / You Enjoy Myself reviews back in the day.
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realitycheck Reply
I was in the pit last night, first time, and boy what a different experience than being really anywhere else in the venue, the music sounds so much better, clearer, etc. Well Ive been to many a phish show since my old college days, I enjoyed last night a lot, I like when phish plays different setlists, thats part of the creativity. Maybe the difference in audience and generations has lost a bit over the yrs, but it scares me how much you all type-cast this band into one format or other. Go to these shows with an open mind, last night was a classic show, the swept-> steep & curtain were easily some of the best versions ever played. Maybe bec. I was up close i got to see all the ques and looks between the band, but they are amazing. When Trey played the fast notes right before "If I were a Rich man" them from scent, tht was truely awesome, especailly since they were playing a similar artist on the loudspeakers before the show last night. Im sorry but who complains about an 1 45 min 1st set?? You should be thrilled, you people are lame, lighten up and open your minds.. Thats what this band is all about. They will constantly change so deal with it, or stop coming but stop with all the negativity. I was at 12.1.95, probably one of the best phish shows ever, and this night was almost as good.
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bertoletdown Phish.net Staff Reply
bertoletdown realitycheck brings the irony.

"You people are lame"

"Stop coming"

"Almost as good as 12/1/95"

Are you serious?

Glad you had fun. You don't have to be a wanker about it.
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Spsloth Reply
be happy they are still playing!!!! thanks phish for a real good time!
Score: 1
Floydisdead Reply
Glowsticks to the head = Joy closer.

Hitting the band with glow sticks during the show is a slap in their face, and closing with Joy was them coming right back at us. You idiots have got to stop doing that shit.
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Icculus Phish.net Staff Reply
Icculus @Fluffhead said:
Charlie, did you intentionally quote Malcolm Gladwell?
Of course. Malcolm Gladwell is a genius.

Thank you, everyone, for the comments!

@JoeChip: The Curtain With was spectacular whether you were there in person or listening to it on "the SBD." But it was especially awesome if you were there in person, and if The Curtain With has meant something to you over the years, and if you've heard every version. In any event, since your comment practically demands it, for anyone who is wondering what numerical "rating" I'd assign to Camden, it's an easy 3/10. I do think the show is worth downloading for its odd nature, even if Trey didn't play as consistently well as he did earlier tonight. (MPP1)

@BertoletDown: You know you're right.
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barter Reply
@realitycheck thank you for remembering the crest of the wave! 12/95 was the only epic MONTH that I remember. And camden, ah camden how sweet it was in the 90's! I am a couch tour kid these days ( with a rare exception when the fam doesn't notice im gone) and I'm not sure that couchers should be reviewing 'shows'. recordings sure, but shows? seriously. I've been to MANY shows that were horrible in person and fantastic upon re-listen. so much more goes into a 'show' review than the music played. what about the crowd, the lot, enforcement, ticket availability, vending success, that one hot chick you met page side high.....a recording is just a show with the subjectivity removed. I certainly will not be reviewing any 'shows' from couch tour.
Score: 3
patper Reply
patper @barter said:
@realitycheck thank you for remembering the crest of the wave! 12/95 was the only epic MONTH that I remember. And camden, ah camden how sweet it was in the 90's! I am a couch tour kid these days ( with a rare exception when the fam doesn't notice im gone) and I'm not sure that couchers should be reviewing 'shows'. recordings sure, but shows? seriously. I've been to MANY shows that were horrible in person and fantastic upon re-listen. so much more goes into a 'show' review than the music played. what about the crowd, the lot, enforcement, ticket availability, vending success, that one hot chick you met page side high.....a recording is just a show with the subjectivity removed. I certainly will not be reviewing any 'shows' from couch tour.
I endorse this post.
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lumpblockclod Phish.net Staff Reply
lumpblockclod @barter said:
I'm not sure that couchers should be reviewing 'shows'. recordings sure, but shows? seriously. I've been to MANY shows that were horrible in person and fantastic upon re-listen. so much more goes into a 'show' review than the music played. what about the crowd, the lot, enforcement, ticket availability, vending success, that one hot chick you met page side high.....a recording is just a show with the subjectivity removed.
LOL. A lot of people would actually prefer a review "with the subjectivity removed." Look, I understand why people say that you can't review a show unless you were there. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I would rather hear an honest appraisal of the music they played than a lot of the other stuff you allude to (which will be different for pretty much every person in attendance).

Note that I am not at all saying that listening on couch tour is any substitute for the experience of being at a show. It's not even in the same ballpark. But we're talking about reviewing the music and, for that, a good stream and/or recording will generally suffice. $.02
Score: 1
patper Reply
patper @lumpblockclod said:
@barter said:
I'm not sure that couchers should be reviewing 'shows'. recordings sure, but shows? seriously. I've been to MANY shows that were horrible in person and fantastic upon re-listen. so much more goes into a 'show' review than the music played. what about the crowd, the lot, enforcement, ticket availability, vending success, that one hot chick you met page side high.....a recording is just a show with the subjectivity removed.
LOL. A lot of people would actually prefer a review "with the subjectivity removed." Look, I understand why people say that you can't review a show unless you were there. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I would rather hear an honest appraisal of the music they played than a lot of the other stuff you allude to (which will be different for pretty much every person in attendance).

Note that I am not at all saying that listening on couch tour is any substitute for the experience of being at a show. It's not even in the same ballpark. But we're talking about reviewing the music and, for that, a good stream and/or recording will generally suffice. $.02
I think the most important thing he left out is the SOUND. SBDs and AUD recordings alike simply do not accurately recreate the sound of being there (AUDs obviously do a much better job than SBD, but still not close enough). Those guys on stage are playing within the context of the live sound. I listened to both the AUD and SBD of this show, and neither of them do the actual sound inside the building hitting my ears justice. Dynamics are a huge part of improvisational music (correction - all music), and recordings to a great job of flattening out the dynamic nuances in the sound.
Score: 1
tmwsiy Phish.net Staff Reply
tmwsiy It is absolutely outrageous to assume that a reviewer needs to be at a show to offer insightful reviews of the music. Sure, you want some additional details on the pre-show lot or "scene", gotta be there.

Great musical reviews of Jazz shows from recordings from smoky clubs of the 1940's & 1950's appear all the time. Did the reviewer attend? Hell no. He LISTENED. We have the technology.

Score: 1
PurpleWhale Reply
@Floydisdead said:
Glowsticks to the head = Joy closer.

Hitting the band with glow sticks during the show is a slap in their face, and closing with Joy was them coming right back at us. You idiots have got to stop doing that shit.
I agree that throwing glow sticks at the band is stupid and childish, a "slap in their face", but I have a hard time thinking that Phish plays certain songs out of spite for their fans. $.02.
Score: 0
Millertime Reply
Millertime I am a true believer that this band can do no wrong. After seeing them play live for close to 20 years they are the BEST in the biz...hands down! A show like Camden solidifies my statements. I only review shows I've been to and have to say I think "I was there, man" reviews far out away a couch recap. Anyway; the R. Top Mike's> Groove opener was the Christmas present you just know you are not going to get then Santa Claus shows up and bam, happiness is all up in your face! Tube & Guyute had me shoveling my brains out of my shoes and that was only halfway through the first set. The SOAM for me was as close to time travel as you can get. That song whipped me back to '95 without the use of a Delorian. The Curtain W/ to close set 1 could not have been more majical. One of the best aspects of this band is that you never know what they are going to slap you across the face with. This set says so!
The second set screamed rock and roll the unique way only Phish does it. DWD, Free, & Possum were sublime and built perfect energy to a face melting BBFCFM (maybe the best version I've ever heard). No one else can go from pure rage through music to dropping the rpms well below the red line so seamlessly and perfectly like the these boys. Swept> Steep was an unexpected gem that yet again makes Phish the best in the biz. If you think, thought, or thunk Swept> Steep couldn't be something phenominal you need to hear this version. The following Bowie, Julius, Golgi, Fluff made every fiber of being smile in joyous xtc. Maybe it is my age but ending such a high energy, rock your socks off show with a slower catch your breath song was right on time. JOY was perfectly placed despite what anyone else thinks. Axis has always been a perfect encore and was perfect to close a great show.
All in all, this was my kind of show. By no means do I dislike Phish doing covers but when the only two open and close the show it makes for that much more of a special performance. When you get a show containing more pure Phish tunes than not you got something that much better.
Score: 3
patper Reply
patper @tmwsiy said:
It is absolutely outrageous to assume that a reviewer needs to be at a show to offer insightful reviews of the music. Sure, you want some additional details on the pre-show lot or "scene", gotta be there.

Great musical reviews of Jazz shows from recordings from smoky clubs of the 1940's & 1950's appear all the time. Did the reviewer attend? Hell no. He LISTENED. We have the technology.
There is much more to this music than notes and rhythm. To deny that dynamics and energy are not important to Phish's music is rather ignorant in my holy opinion. Recordings do not accurately translate the dynamics and energy of the show.

Agree to disagree, I suppose.
Score: 2
patper Reply
patper BTW I mean dynamics and energy in the sense of musical performance. Anybody who was in concert/marching band in high school or has any formal music theory training whatsoever knows what I mean.
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_rrot_ Reply
"I'm not sure that couchers should be reviewing 'shows'. recordings sure, but shows?"

That makes perfect sense.

o If you were there, awesome for you -- and yes, people will probably be interested in your review of the show. You'll have something to say about the whole scene, which will likely reflect both the positive technical fact that you (could have) heard the music better than is possible for any stream or later recording, as well as the potentially negative reality that your opinion of the music is likely clouded by the fact of your attendance -- the very-well known truism that the musical performances at shows are overrated by those who attend them.

o If you weren't there, but you streamed the concert (or d/l a recording) you aren't qualified to review the "show" since you really did miss almost everything to do with the ambiance and non-auditory experience. BUT, if you're able to pay attention to what you're hearing, and know something about music or phish, or can just string a coherent thought-sequence together, you too probably can contribute a valid review, maybe even a "better" one from a dispassionate pov.

There are not yet too many reviews/opinions of these performances! I am very happy to read almost all of them, the rare trolls and fluffers to the side. It looks like the band are finding some different places/songs to shine in this year and I love it when someone points out something I hadn't noticed.

I enjoyed </sarcasm> the phone streamers last night, and so don't have anything in the way of a review -- too many problems with the streams. But the BBFCFM was indeed "a riot." Don't let that one slip away!
Score: 1
EBreezey Reply
I'm still in my infancy in terms of listening to Phish (I really got into them about 3 years ago, this show being my 2nd), so maybe I'm missing something here but while I agree about a lot of the things you said (BBFCFM, Weekapaug, swept> steep> Bowie), I personally liked the Possum and Sloth played at Camden last year (6/25/2010) better than that of this year. I've only gotten to listen to the show about 1.5 times since actually attending it, so I'll have to listen more for sure (Im also couch touring and have been listening to Holmdel1 and Mansfield1). Last years Camden Possum still gets my adrenaline pumping, and Sloth from the same show sounds nearly perfect.

As for Julius, aside from Hoist, I have only heard it while listening to Live Phish Radio, so I could be simply catching the wrong versions, but I thought it sounded awesome all around (as compared to other shows where I've only felt they were ok. Again Im not sure which versions I've heard and what was surrounding them musically, but until this point I only thought of it as an "ok" song).

I thought Rocky Top was a cool way to open the show despite the fact that I've never heard it before (Again, this is my 3rd year listening to phish, so there are still a ton of covers I haven't heard them play), with an awesome "PLAY IT LEO!!!" moment that I wouldn't have expected until later in the show, with a great Mike's Groove right after. It's pretty cool to get Rocky Top this year, and Alumni Blues> Letter to Jimmy Paige> Alumni last year.

Personally, I would have loved to have heard Piper, NICU and Manteca, despite the latter having been played a whopping total of 8 times (can't hurt to dream, right?). While I'm on the subject, check the Stash> Manteca> Tweezer> NICU run from Las Vegas 10/30/98. It's a beauty.

Anyways, thanks for the great review! I hope my opinions are taken well, and I'll certainly be seeing MANY more shows in the coming years!!
Score: 1
harroldHOOD Reply
harroldHOOD Amazing highs and amazing lows....

I was at this show and read this review before I heard the SBD and have to say this is pretty spot on. I had a killer time at the show (phish in the pit, how couldn't you?) but the flubs were definitely there, as well as the awesome moments. The best is The Curtain, SO SOLID. Heard it a few times over now and its just a masterpiece. The Disease jam really DOES go somewhere despite what people are saying, and the show really starts to pick up around the end (I think thats why they just kept playing songs because it took them so long to catch their stride)

The most glaring is definitely The Sloth. Even at the show I could tell it was botched pretty badly, but hearing it on recording is just brutal. Oh well. Good thing phish is still the best live act out there :) Can't wait 'til Superball!
Score: 0
phunkytime Reply
phunkytime Great review, I thought the beginning of the first set was great and weekapaug started out rough atleast from what I could hear from the lawn. Then it picked up and finished really well. The second set really did it for me. The energy on the lawn with glowsticks and free/possum sounded incredible. Joy closing was extremely surprising but so was hearing Mikes and Weekapaug two shows in a row. They're keepin us on our toes.

Counting down till Superball.
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Davehengemania Reply
Loved the review Icculus. Thanks for sharing that.
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nichobert Reply
nichobert "There is much more to this music than notes and rhythm. To deny that dynamics and energy are not important to Phish's music is rather ignorant in my holy opinion. Recordings do not accurately translate the dynamics and energy of the show"

You can't deny that they're important, but IMO the more subjective a review, the better. Plenty of the "dynamics and energy" will come through on a recording. Sometimes a peak hits the crowd so loud that they rise up into the mix, sometimes those peaks don't hit the crowd hard enough for them to break the surface. I don't think that anyone has to be there to review the music. Not in the slightest. Reviewing the show as a whole is a whole different animal. There is plenty of room for both. But since someone's memories of the show aren't a factor in my life, I personally prefer for people to review the music on it's own merits.

Like the review of this show on the blog. I found MPP 2 to be super extra weird, especially that 2nd set where they completely ditched the "greatest hits" act for a night and wove together an extraordinarily cohesive meat of the set featuring predominately new songs. Although like this set, it didn't seem to know how to finish and fired off a few relatively standard versions of songs at the end. This is where the big type 2 improv jams come in handy. Stretching that MPP "Halfway To The Moon" or Camden "Bowie" out for an extra 15 minutes would have paid dividends if they ended up knocking a few of the bonus songs out of the equation. Then again, DTE featured one long segment and the band still had no idea what to after Bowie.

I'm still sticking with my guns that Bethel is the way of the future. Tons of small jams, and if they happen to be feeling them, they'll start getting longer and the future will be opened up to us all.
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